From: ycl6@sawasdee.cc.columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Subject: NOSTALGIA:The best Commodore magazines Date: 29 Nov 1994 21:02:43 GMT Organization: Trilateral Commission, Columbia University student chapter Message-ID: <3bg4tj$qd1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: Yeechang Lee Although my active Commodore days are long past, I still read this group for the memories. Something I remember fondly from my 8-bit days is the magazines . . . Transactor: WOW! Whatta mag! Incredible technical stuff, much of it above my head but fascinating nonetheless. INFO: Another great magazine, until they began to make IBM- and Mac-bashing into a silly personal thing (e.g., slamming Jerry Pournelle because he didn't mention the Amiga in his BYTE column any more). I heard about its demise a few years back, and paused a moment savoring memories of its brilliant writing. Ahoy!: A good magazine, IMHO never received the attention it deserved. Original, sharp writing, better than its better-known mass-market competititors (see below). Unfortunately, didn't have the resources the others did, and folded first. Compute!'s Gazette: The very first Commodore-specific publication I ever ran into, way back in '84. Lots of reviews were much too sycophantic, but its type-in programs were the best. RUN: Surprisingly, I never saw much of this magazine; I know it lasted longer than just about anything else. It beat the Gazette out into publication by a few months, right? Anyone else with memories to share about 'em or others? (N.B.: Never ever saw Commander, and the Commodore/Power/Play duo didn't deserve the title of magazine, IMHO.) -- _____________________________________________________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu)|Nevada Las Vegas Mission Jul'92-'94 Columbia University/New York City|Celestial Kingdom through Taco Bell From: ycl6@sawasdee.cc.columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Subject: Re: NOSTALGIA:The best Commodore magazines Date: 30 Nov 1994 01:07:07 GMT Organization: Trilateral Commission, Columbia University student chapter Message-ID: <3bgj7r$590@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: Yeechang Lee In article <3bg4tj$qd1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Yeechang Lee wrote: |Compute!'s Gazette: The very first Commodore-specific publication I ever |ran into, way back in '84. Lots of reviews were much too sycophantic, |but its type-in programs were the best. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm following up on myself; I know. I just remembered some more things about Compute!. Remember SpeedScript? I still remember typing in 2.1 or something from _Compute!'s Second Book of 64_; I had just bought a printer (a Seikosha SP1000VC) and needed a wordprocessor to write something that weekend. I later got 3.3--excellent program! OTOH, Compute! could pull some, uh, unethical things on us readers--an example is when the 128 came out; Compute! put full-page ads in its magazines advertising a new book for the new computer, jam-packed with programs. Only when you looked at the fine print did you see that all of 'em were meant for the 128's _64 mode_! Sheesh! -- _____________________________________________________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu)|Nevada Las Vegas Mission Jul'92-'94 Columbia University/New York City|Celestial Kingdom through Taco Bell From: watchman@zero.ludd.luth.se (Joachim Str|mbergson) Subject: Re: NOSTALGIA:The best Commodore magazines Date: 30 Nov 1994 18:09:11 +0100 Organization: Lulea University Computer Society - Ludd Message-ID: <3bibjn$ak9@zero.ludd.luth.se> In Europe there where some great mags (some are still around) My favvo mags: * Oberoende Computer - A Danish/Swedish magthat contained loads of good articles aimed at the more advanced users. Bacchus/FLT, SODAN and several other scenedudes wrote more or less often for the mag. * 64'er - The German mag with tons of useful stuff. Soundmonitor was presented here the first time. The mag also contained a lot of HW articles, a bit typical of german computermags. * ZZAP 64 - A Brittish magazine with a great section on demos, and this was in '86! * CCI - A Brittish mag where for example Jeff MInter had his column. Quite a few articles with programming concerning probs with gamecoding. There were several others, but I liked these the most. Cheers! Joachim - Watchman of FairLight -- --------------------- FairLight - When might is right ----------------- Watchman@ludd.luth.se (130.240.160) d91-jsn@sm.luth.se Joachim Stroembergson Karhusvagen5:503 S-977 54 Lulea Sweden --------------------- FairLight - When might is right ----------------- From: ckaiser@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Po-Ching Lives!) Subject: Re: NOSTALGIA:The best Commodore magazines Message-ID: <76760@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 1 Dec 94 19:03:30 GMT Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu In <3bg4tj$qd1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> ycl6@sawasdee.cc.columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) writes: >Although my active Commodore days are long past, I still read this group >for the memories. Something I remember fondly from my 8-bit days is the >magazines . . . >Transactor: WOW! Whatta mag! Incredible technical stuff, much of it >above my head but fascinating nonetheless. Transactor was the best of the hacking magazines. I have some back issues of them; hey had the best utility programs, but they never really hit the big time. >Ahoy!: A good magazine, IMHO never received the attention it deserved. >Original, sharp writing, better than its better-known mass-market >competititors (see below). Unfortunately, didn't have the resources the >others did, and folded first. It wasn't bad :) I did enjoy the games in there and the articles were better than most. >Compute!'s Gazette: The very first Commodore-specific publication I ever >ran into, way back in '84. Lots of reviews were much too sycophantic, >but its type-in programs were the best. For the most part, yeah; they're still around BTW on disk (I know, I write for them). They managed to survive the parent magazine Compute, which got bought and killed by Ziff-Davis. >RUN: Surprisingly, I never saw much of this magazine; I know it lasted >longer than just about anything else. It beat the Gazette out into >publication by a few months, right? No, actually, RUN folded before Gazette (Gazette hasn't folded yet:) ). Incidentally, you forgot dieHard and Loadstar, which are two equally good mag's, along with Jack's CEE64 :) >Anyone else with memories to share about 'em or others? (N.B.: Never >ever saw Commander, and the Commodore/Power/Play duo didn't deserve the >title of magazine, IMHO.) This is true, Commodore magazine sucked and P/P was the same as its initials. Cameron Kaiser From: nhatviet@nucleus.com (Nhat-Viet Phi) Subject: Re: NOSTALGIA:The best Commodore magazines Message-ID: Organization: Nucleus Information Service Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 05:19:42 GMT Yeechang Lee (ycl6@sawasdee.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : RUN: Surprisingly, I never saw much of this magazine; I know it lasted : longer than just about anything else. It beat the Gazette out into : publication by a few months, right? Obviously, you did not know that the COMPUTE!'s Gazette magazine became a section of COMPUTE Magazine, from October 1990 to December 1993, then broke off to take on a new disk format? COMPUTE Magazine was bought by Ziff-Davis and closed down, but Gazette Disk Magazine was a separate entity and continues publication to this day. (I should know, I just got my December 1994 issue.) The best C= magazine IMHO, which is currently being published, is Commodore World. Creative Micro Designs just released the fourth issue, and continues the tradition of high-quality print and great info crammed into practically every page. Nhat-Viet Phi nhatviet@nucleus.com Calgary, Alberta, Canada From: ctc@rowan.coventry.ac.uk (Chris Clarke) Subject: Re: NOSTALGIA:The best Commodore magazines Date: 3 Dec 1994 13:55:19 -0000 Organization: Coventry University Message-ID: <3bptc7$54g@rowan.coventry.ac.uk> In article <3bibjn$ak9@zero.ludd.luth.se>, Joachim Str|mbergson wrote: >In Europe there where some great mags (some are still around) My favvo mags: [snip] >* ZZAP 64 - A Brittish magazine with a great section on demos, and this was >in '86! Now this brings back fond memories! Anyone remember Gary's Techinical Bit in the Middle (a play on a radio programme name)? And what about the Classic Computer Cock-ups? A brilliant mag to begin with - techie parts, but plenty of games reviews; a good all-rounder. Then what happened? It got taken over and made into a solely games-orientated piece of trash to satisfy pre-pubescent (sp?) schoolchildren. Then what happened? It died. Welcome relief by that point, but still sad to see it go. >* CCI - A Brittish mag where for example Jeff MInter had his column. Quite > a few articles with programming concerning probs with gamecoding. About the only techie mag (correct me if I'm wrong) in the UK for the C64, I believe. But like Zzap! 64 went downhill - ended up being about as gamey as any Segtendo mag. Shame. -- \-\T/-/ ctc@cov.ac.uk - Chris Clarke - xuuau@warwick.ac.uk o|+++|o O|+++|O "If, like me, you are over 90, frail, on two sticks, O|+++|O half deaf and half blind, you stick out like a sore O|+++|O thumb in most places. But not in the House of Lords." oVVVVVo - Harold Macmillan (Lord Stockton) From: cs911180@ariel.cs.yorku.ca (ENNIO A CELLUCCI) Subject: Re: NOSTALGIA:The best Commodore magazines Message-ID: Sender: news@ariel.cs.yorku.ca Organization: York University, Dept. of Computer Science Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 16:46:42 GMT In article <3bg4tj$qd1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Yeechang Lee wrote: >Anyone else with memories to share about 'em or others? (N.B.: Never >ever saw Commander, and the Commodore/Power/Play duo didn't deserve the >title of magazine, IMHO.) Bought a few issues of Commodore Magazine before never being able to find it anymore (bought by Run wasn't it?). Very nice magazine - esp. the circuits in some of the issues which someday I'll take the time to build... ;) L8er..EAC Ennio Cellucci cs911180@ariel.cs.yorku.ca From: ma92pjr@brunel.ac.uk (Philip J Robinson) Subject: Re: NOSTALGIA:The best Commodore magazines Date: 5 Dec 1994 17:59:51 -0000 Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK Message-ID: <3bvken$dif@molnir.brunel.ac.uk> ENNIO A CELLUCCI (cs911180@ariel.cs.yorku.ca) wrote: : In article <3bg4tj$qd1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, : Yeechang Lee wrote: : >Anyone else with memories to share about 'em or others? (N.B.: Never : >ever saw Commander, and the Commodore/Power/Play duo didn't deserve the : >title of magazine, IMHO.) : Bought a few issues of Commodore Magazine before never being able to : find it anymore (bought by Run wasn't it?). Very nice magazine - esp. : the circuits in some of the issues which someday I'll take the time to : build... ;) : L8er..EAC : Ennio Cellucci : cs911180@ariel.cs.yorku.ca What happened to Your Commodore and Your Commodore Disk User in the u.k ? When did these stop. Also Commodore Format apparently still exists available on mail order from future publishing - same people who do Amiga Format. Last time I saw a copy they didn't seem to have anything new or interesting to write about. Surprising really. From: mpurdy@condor.mcs.kent.edu (Mark Purdy) Subject: Re: NOSTALGIA:The best Commodore magazines Date: 9 Dec 1994 14:53:23 GMT Organization: Kent State University, Dept. of Math and CS Message-ID: <3c9r13$lo7@ns.mcs.kent.edu> I have TONS of Compute's Gazette dating back to 1987 up through when it Finally bit the dust (in mag form) and also I have RUN from the same time till it died. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Mark R. Purdy | /\ \\==== \\=\\=\\ Secretary (1994-1995) 3525 Jameson Dr. | //\\ \\ \\ \\ \\ KSU Student Chapter of Kent, OH 44240-6621 | //==\\ \\ \\ \\ The Association for mpurdy@mcs.kent.edu | // \\ \\==== \\ \\ Computing Machinery -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+=-=-=-=-=+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ay272@freenet.hsc.colorado.edu | mrp1@freenet.scri.fsu.edu -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+=-=-=-=-=-=+=-=-=-=-=-=+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= |ai317@dayton.wright.edu| +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From: sledge@algonet.se (Thomas Karlsen) Subject: 8-bit Magazine Date: 4 Nov 1994 09:23:33 +0100 Organization: AlgoNet Public Access Node, Stockholm Message-ID: <39cr25$rfe@aristotle.algonet.se> This is to all the Swedish, Finnish, Dannish and Norwegian people: There is a magazine called 8-bit here in Sweden that's dedicated to Commodore 64 & 128 news and articles. It comes out 6 times a year (the newest issue was released yesterday) and it costs only sek 75 for one years subscription. You can also order PD/SW disks from the writers for a low cost. Payment: Pay on PostGiro (Swedish) nuumber: 82 66 75 - 1 To: Atta Bitar (Anders Reuterswerd) 6 issues within Sweden costs: sek 75:- 6 issues within Scandinavia costs: sek 100:- It's a real good magazine that writes about GEOS, CS-DOS, Hardware stuff, reviews etc... give it a shot! /Thomas 2nd year subscriber! From: paulvl@python.es.ele.tue.nl (Paul van Loon) Subject: Re: BDOS, Janus, DOS-COPY Date: 14 Nov 1994 13:54:10 GMT Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, The Netherlands Message-ID: In article <3a0kdt$68d@salyko.cube.net> mmatting@cube.net (Matthias Matting) writes: >Why don't you ask "64er" magazine? We are holding the (c)opyright, but >as it isn't sold anymore you surely can get it as a service ;-) > >Matthias, "64er" WHAT?????!!!!! Is the '64er' magazine dead?! AAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHH!!!!! The BEST magazine for the 64 for years. If it's really dead than there's little hope for a European user base for the C64. Looks like I'm really standing alone here, with some of you netters around me (of whom most only play games on emulators). The magazine monthly rewarded a program to be published with about DM3000,= (that's about $1,500). Where can I send my programs to now? :( Greetings from Paul. -- ================================================================================ ==Paul=van=Loon=(paulvl@es.ele.tue.nl)==UnDeR=CoNsTrUcTiO======================= ==Information=Engeneering=student========================N====================== ================================================================================ From: Marko.Makela@HUT.FI (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Marko_M=E4kel=E4?=) Subject: Re: BDOS, Janus, DOS-COPY Date: 16 Nov 1994 13:29:03 +0200 Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland. Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >>>>> "Paul" == Paul van Loon writes: Paul> In article <3a0kdt$68d@salyko.cube.net> mmatting@cube.net Paul> (Matthias Matting) writes: >> Why don't you ask "64er" magazine? We are holding the (c)opyright, >> but as it isn't sold anymore you surely can get it as a service ;-) >> >> Matthias, "64er" Paul> WHAT?????!!!!! Paul> Is the '64er' magazine dead?! Paul> AAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHH!!!!! Paul> The BEST magazine for the 64 for years. If it's really dead than Paul> there's little hope for a European user base for the C64. Well, is that really so bad that 64 magazines fold? No magazine in Finland hasn't had anything about the 64 for years, and there are still some C64 users around. Of course all of them are hackers, everyone has something else as his primary machine. I bought one issue of the 64'er magazine, the 3/94 issue with the article about the C65, and I also read many other issues of the magazine. This year's issues didn't actually have anything new, even the C65 thing had been discussed in the net half a year before. Well, there were some interesting interviews in 1-2/94 about the birth of the C128, and in the 4/94 there was an interview of Fred Bowen regarding the C65. But that doesn't interest me so much as programming articles would. The reader questions in the issue 3/94 and answers to them were also very old, probably already discussed in some 64'er magazine several years ago. Well, there were some program reviews that could be considered actual, but commercial C64 programs have little market, since nobody uses the C64 as his primary machine, at least not here in Finland. Well, in Germany I didn't see anybody either who would have had only C= computers for other than collecting purposes. It was also very hard to find anyone who still had his C64 somewhere. And in the Eastern Europe where someone still might only have the C64, people probably won't buy software, they mainly pirate it. In my opinion, the 64'er magazine deserved to fold because of lack of good articles, just like the Finnish C=lehti magazine folded, after it declared itself to mainly be for the Amiga. The final mistake that the 64'er made was that they stopped selling single copies, and not enough people wanted to pay the high price for the subscription. Marko From: mmatting@cube.net (Matthias Matting) Subject: Re: BDOS, Janus, DOS-COPY Date: 18 Nov 1994 21:53:09 GMT Organization: CUBENet Multiline BBS Message-ID: <3aj7o5$34o@salyko.cube.net> I (myself) wrote: > >> Why don't you ask "64er" magazine? We are holding the (c)opyright, > >> but as it isn't sold anymore you surely can get it as a service ;-) "IT" means not "64er" but "Janus, BDOS and DOS-COPY which was requested on the Subject line. > Paul> Is the '64er' magazine dead?! Nooooooooo. > Well, is that really so bad that 64 magazines fold? No magazine in > Finland hasn't had anything about the 64 for years, and there are > still some C64 users around. Of course all of them are hackers, > everyone has something else as his primary machine. Here in Germany there is quite another situation. Most current users of the 64 are not hackers! In contrary, they have become a) quite old or b) quite young. I see that in our reader surveys, so you might say that it is true for our readers only. And we are, beware, no scene mag. > I bought one issue of the 64'er magazine, the 3/94 issue with the > article about the C65, and I also read many other issues of the > magazine. This year's issues didn't actually have anything new, even > the C65 thing had been discussed in the net half a year before. Well, You don't take into account that everything takes three months to get into the mag! I followed the discussion of the 65 here, and I wrote the first articles as soon as I got the first rumours. > there were some interesting interviews in 1-2/94 about the birth of > the C128, and in the 4/94 there was an interview of Fred Bowen > regarding the C65. But that doesn't interest me so much as programming > articles would. We had / have five "main themes" on programming: The Games Programmers Guide by Hannes Sommer, Vector Programming by Maxim Szenessy, Programming the Flash 8 and Programming SCSI devices (from Commodore World) . Ops, which was the fifth? > The reader questions in the issue 3/94 and answers to them were also > very old, probably already discussed in some 64'er magazine several Surely. We get always the same questions but from other users. Didn't you also begin once on the 64? > years ago. Well, there were some program reviews that could be > considered actual, but commercial C64 programs have little market, Right. You have to take a very close look to find some. > since nobody uses the C64 as his primary machine, at least not here in > Finland. Well, in Germany I didn't see anybody either who would have > had only C= computers for other than collecting purposes. It was also > very hard to find anyone who still had his C64 somewhere. And in the So you definitely met the wrong people. Don't ask sceners or younger ones on that but ask people at around 60. Most of them DON't LIKE to start with another computer. > In my opinion, the 64'er magazine deserved to fold because of lack of > good articles, just like the Finnish C=lehti magazine folded, after it > declared itself to mainly be for the Amiga. The final mistake that > the 64'er made was that they stopped selling single copies, and not > enough people wanted to pay the high price for the subscription. Too bad that we didn't fold. And it was definitely no error to go subscription only because we just would have folded in 94 if we hadn't done so. I don't think that we have a lack of good articles (but that's quite sure bevcause I'm writing them, with LOeo and Harry and everybody supporting us. BTW: Why don't you write a "good" article for us? Don't mind if it is in english, I'll translate as I do with Doug Cottons articles. Email for details of payment and so on. That's valid for everyone else too :) Matthias, 64er mmatting@cube.net From: paulvl@python.es.ele.tue.nl (Paul van Loon) Subject: 64'er magazine DEAD (WAS:Re: BDOS, Janus, DOS-COPY) Date: 17 Nov 1994 12:29:21 GMT Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, The Netherlands Message-ID: In article Marko.Makela@HUT.FI (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Marko_M=E4kel=E4?=) writes: Paul> The BEST magazine for the 64 for years. If it's really dead than [snip] But that doesn't interest me so much as programming articles would. [snip] In my opinion, the 64'er magazine deserved to fold because of lack of good articles, just like the Finnish C=lehti magazine folded, after it declared itself to mainly be for the Amiga. The final mistake that the 64'er made was that they stopped selling single copies, and not enough people wanted to pay the high price for the subscription. Marko There was a great series about professional assembler programs that discussed all kind of neat (mainly VIC) tricks. I've learned GOOD assembler programming thanks to one of the special issues of the 64'er about assembler programming. I still have that copy, it contains about everything you would like, including a type-it-in-yourself monitor (SMON), an assembler (GIGA-ASS) (with include files, assembler variables and conditional compilation) and a re-assembler for that. I typed in SMON and GIGA-ASS, but the re-assembler I never did. Well, anyway, to read it every month in the kiosks was a joy for years and I still was dreaming of selling my programs to them and earn a lot of money easily, ;) Keep on hackin' Greetings from Paul. -- ================================================================================ ==Paul=van=Loon=(paulvl@es.ele.tue.nl)==UnDeR=CoNsTrUcTiO======================= ==Information=Engeneering=student========================N====================== ================================================================================ From: mmatting@cube.net (Matthias Matting) Subject: Re: 64'er magazine not DEAD (WAS:Re: 64er DEAD) Date: 20 Nov 1994 00:41:33 GMT Organization: CUBENet Multiline BBS Message-ID: <3am5vt$1d8@salyko.cube.net> Again I wanna say that "64er" is very alive. It's really impressive what a little misunderstanding of the small word "it" in my original post may create such a thread :) I can understand the feelings better now a person might have hearing people talk about your own death while you're alive as ever :) > Well, anyway, to read it every month in the kiosks was a joy for years > and I still was dreaming of selling my programs to them and earn a lot > of money easily, ;) You can still sell your programs to us but you cannot earn A LOT of money as you cannot do so with every other 64 related magazine or vendor. What we are most interested in are good ARTICLES :) > Keep on hackin' WE will do so :) at least Greetings from Matthias, 64er mmatting@cube.net From: h9101322@falbala.wu-wien.ac.at (Guenther Bauer) Subject: Re: 64'er magazine DEAD (WAS:Re: BDOS, Janus, DOS-COPY) Date: 22 Nov 1994 12:34:43 GMT Organization: Vienna University of Economics and Business Administration Message-ID: <3asoh3$5iq@osiris.wu-wien.ac.at> No, the 64'er is not dead, I just received my regular copy yesterday. Beside that I read an article, that the financial situation of this mag is solved for the next 2 (!) years, afterwards it depends of the number of subscription rates, it will make profit from 10.000 onwards (in moment the number is about 20.000). So much for this topic. Guenther From: ceejack@crl.com (Jack Vander White) Subject: Re: Diehard magazine ? Date: 4 Oct 1995 23:55:24 -0700 Organization: Humanity Against Late-Night Infomercials Message-ID: <44vvgs$65u@crl7.crl.com> Rather than reply to all the messages asking about DIEHARD I will tell all what has been happening over the last few days. Brian Crosthwaite, Publisher of Diehard, contacted CMD, Loadstar, and Commodore CEE this week with the following form letter faxed to each of us: ----------- Diehard, the Flyer for commodore 8bitters is planning to cease publication and we are looking to transfer our subscription fulfillment. Our number of outstanding subscribers is approximately 8,400 and I would be willing to throw in the balance of the list, totaling approximately 12,000. Please call me at (xxx)xxx-xxxx if you are interested in acquiring these readers and names. Sincerely, Brian L. Crosthwaite Publisher ---------- Each of us did contact Brian for further details. They are bleak. The total number of paper issues due to subscribers is approximately 64,000. This does not count the approximately 1,200 spinner subscribers which would make approximately 10,000 disks due. The cost of publishing alone would amount to approximately $100,000 for printing, layout, disks, ,mail cost, etc. Not taking into account the cost of articles, etc. when asked about money Brian's only comment was "There is none. It's gone." a further complication is that Tom Netsel told me last week that General Media says that Brian has assumed the obligation to deliver the balance of the Gazette subscriptions. I questioned Brian about this. Brian says that general media faxed him the terms of transference of the obligation and that he faxed back an acceptance of the terms. While I have not seen the actual faxes involved it does sound like offer and acceptance of a binding contract from here. Obviously, all of us have rejected this offer. I have been told that there is an issue of Diehard at the printers, probably printed. However, the printing bill alone is over $8,000 plus the cost of mailing. Since there is no money it sits there. If anyone where willing to assume the total obligations they would have to assume a liability of well over $100,000 over the next year before any returns from renewals would even make a dent in this huge obligation. Please Note: I am putting this out as a public message. This is ALL I know. Please do not come back at me asking questions. I have nothing more I can add to this. Jack VW From: doug.cottton@the-spa.com (Doug Cotton) Subject: Re: Copyrights on Magazine Programs,etc. Date: Sun, 03 Dec 1995 23:47:35 -0500 Organization: Creative Micro Designs, Inc. Message-ID: Paul Allen Panks wrote: > With all the talk about (C)opyrights and legal rights of the publisher, I > was just curious how this pertains to Commodore-specific magazine > articles, programs, etc.? > > Because all of the most popular Commodore 64/128-specific magazines have > since ceased publishing a while ago (Ahoy! in 1989,Compute!'s Gazette in > 1993,Run in 1992,etc.) how long do these so-called (C)opyrights on > programs or articles published in these magazines last? > > Do the (C)opyrights belong strictly to the author of the program(s)? I > have read in some programs in the REM statements (C)opyrights...such as > the case i.e. "(C) 1988 Cleveland M. Blakemore"... > > Just curious...I would be interested to know becuause perhaps some of these > programs are available for FTP to Commodore computers. > Just my .02 This depends on the agreement between the author and the publisher. With respect to articles, most publications generally contract for first worldwide publication rights, and sometimes some form of reprint rights. Programs, however, are often paid for outright, securing all rights. But just like commercial software, these rights don't go away... they remain with whomever for more years than they'll be of value. Take, for example, two publications once owned by Commodore: Power Play and Commodore Magazine. Power Play ceased operation and was folded into Commodore Magazine. Eventually, the publishers of RUN bought those rights. Not long after RUN folded, CMD purchased Techmedia from IDG, which included all rights they held on RUN. So any rights transferred to Power Play by the authors now belong to CMD. Magazine programs appearing online without the express permission of the copyright owner are copyright violations, just as much as commercial programs. Doug Cotton E-mail: doug.cotton@the-spa.com ===================================================================== | Creative Micro Designs, Inc. | Orders: (800) 6383-CMD | | P.O. Box 646 | Support: (413) 525-0023 | | East Longmeadow, MA 01028 | Fax: (413) 525-0147 | --------------------------------------------------------------------- | Visit our WWW Site at: http://www.msen.com/~brain/guest/cmd/ | ===================================================================== From: pap@dana.ucc.nau.edu (Paul Allen Panks) Subject: Classic Commodore Magazines :) Date: 6 Dec 1995 02:53:41 GMT Organization: Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff AZ, USA Message-ID: <4a30jl$7ov@ruby.ucc.nau.edu> I figured now would be a good time to start reminiscing (sp?) about the various Commodore-specific magazines that appeared along time ago. I group Commodore magazines in the order they first were published: (if I leave any out, please feel free to make your own submissions) 1. Compute!'s Gazette (July 1983-February 1985)* Probably the favorite of all Commodore magazines, this sleak publication provided the average users with many informative "How-to" articles and columns. Written in plain, nontechnical English, it's columns ranged from "How to use the 1541 Disk Drive, Part Three" to "C: Language of the Future?" Coverage early on focused on the Commodore Vic-20 and Commodore 64 Personal Computers. Amoung some of the earliest (and best) work in this magazine, included such type-in Programs as "SpeedScript" and "Spike" (remember Spike?). Some of the games were good, clean fun ("Trenchfire") and others required some thinking ("Campaign Manager"). Utilities and Games covered in this magazine were done so unbiased. Sometimes the magazine had a tendency to "candy-coat" reviews, but other times they could be as harsh as the Eastern U.S. Winter. Overall, this magazine maintained a prominent presence amoung the Commodore community, and remains to this day one of the most loved of all Commodore magazines. * - Ceased written publication at the end of 1993. Started appearing in disk form thereafter, and folded after the Feb. 1995 issue. 2. Ahoy! (January 1984-January 1989) Probably the most overlooked of all Commodore publications, this magazine was nevertheless probably one of the very best. Feature articles covered such topics as the Comol Language (Tim Little), while others focused on "Building your own Speech Synthesizer" (Dale Rupert). The type-in programs offered in Ahoy! were probably the best of any Commodore publication, with such gems as "Alice in Adventureland" and "StreamerFont". Prolific programmers such as Mike Hoyt ("V'Lurian Mines"), Cleveland M. Blakemore ("Crypt of Fear", "Tomb of Horror", "Dark Fortress"), and Orson Scott Card ("Gypsy Starship") displayed their expertise, especially in the areas of games. While still others lent technical expertise to the magazine. People like Morton Kevelson. And still more manned the help lines and the "S.O.S." column (Timm Little). Financial difficulties with the publisher plus other circumstances forced Ahoy! to cease publishing, with the January 1989 issue being the last of an extraordinary (but somehow overlooked) magazine. 3. Run (January 1984-Nov/Dec 1992) Run magazine's greatest legacy probably was it's "Magic" column, edited by Tim Walsh. Countless programmers submitted their hints,tips, and timesavers to this column. Another thing that Run did well (and their were many), was their type-in programs. Probably their greatest successes were "Run Paint" (March 1989) and "RunTerm" (January 1988). Run also published excellent feature articles as well ("Sailing the Commodore Seas"), and columns such as "Commodore Clinic" and "Run Amok" helped readers get the most out of their computers (and,sometimes,help make corrections to previous issues). Run was unique in that they published a Special Issue towards the end of each year, with the best from "Magic" column being compiled with over 100 new hints, tips, and tricks. Run's last special issue was the 1989 Special Issue (#5). Run acquired the rights to Commodore magazine and starting with the November 1989 issue, included such former Commodore Magazine articles and columns as "128 Mode" and "Gold Mine". This further added to Run's computing (hacker) flavor. Run ceased publication with the Nov/Dec 1992 issue. 3. Commodore Magazine (Circa Early 1984-October 1989)??** This magazine,unfortunately, probably enjoyed the least amount of success amoung all the Commodore-specific magazines. The problem did not lie in the quality of the magazine (an EXCELLENT publication), moreso in the distributor (Commodore itself). It seems at times that Commodore had almost a half interest in the magazine, and indeed it was this lack of interest that eventually caused its demise. Like Run magazine, Commodore Magazine attempted to maintain a Hints & Tips column that provided short type-ins and hints for users who wanted to get the most out of their computers. These were well done; Lou Sander eventually compiled 600 past tips & tricks into a book. The magazines focus was not as much on programming as on feature articles. "How To" articles were the biggest. Using a Commodore 64 with a HAM radio is one article that stands out. "128 Mode" by Mark Jordan focused completely on getting the most out of the Commodore 128 (in 128 mode). "Gold Mine" provided hints and cheats for various commerical software, mostly the latest and greatest games. Commodore Magazine ceased publication on their own rights by selling out to Run magazine, ending with the October 1989 issue. OTHER MAGAZINES: Compute! (1979-1994) focused not only on the Commodore 64/128, but also on a variety of other computers. This ended in April 1988, when they changed their focus to IBM-compatible only, but later merged with Compute!'s Gazette between 1991 and 1993. Family Computing (later "Family & Home Office Computing - September 1983?-Present Day) - This magazine also covered a variety of computers, including the Commodore 64/128. Contributers to this magazine (such as Joey Latimer) added a fresh "hackers" sense to the magazine, while others specialized on their respective platforms. Family Computing became "Family & Home office Computing" in 1988, and that is the last year they focused on the Commodore 64/128 line of computers. Transactor (??-1989) - I don't know a great deal about this magazine, but perhaps others do? From what I hear (I never actually did pick up this magazine - my local store carried all ther others except this one and INFO), this magazine was the BEST technical magazine of the bunch. INFO,PowerPlay,TPUG - I don't know hardly anything about these three magazines, except that TPUG was published when the PET first came out, and then extended their coverage to focus on other Commodore Computers (Vic-20,C-64,and Plus/4/C-16) Everyone is welcome to subtract or add to this list as they please. I am interested in compiling an informational list of ALL the Commodore magazines (PAST AND PRESENT). Readers outside of the U.S. are welcome to add other magazines as well. Feel free to contribute any on-line magazine information as well. If you have any corrections, please E-mail me, do not post. If you have any submissions of new magazines and/or the ones I have no idea on, please POST them, do not e-mail. Thank you for your time. Regards - Paul Allen Panks E-mail: pap@dana.ucc.nau.edu -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This signature file was brought to you by Paul Panks, not Micro$oft, IBM, or any of those other money-sapping, machine-wasting companies bent on world domination. Did you here that Micro$oft wants to purchase the Catholic Church? I don't think Bill Gates would make a very good choir boy. I think its time to put our foots down and stop this maniac before he declares his campaign for the Presidency! *** Check out Jim Brain's WWW Page at: Http://www.msen.com/~brain/ *** (You'll be glad you did!) E-mail: pap@dana.ucc.nau.edu "If you quote me on this, I'll have to deny it. Besides, my memory is *terrible*. I forget things often. Also, my memory is *horrible*." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: pap@dana.ucc.nau.edu (Paul Allen Panks) Subject: Re: Classic Commodore Magazines :) Date: 7 Dec 1995 03:23:24 GMT Organization: Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff AZ, USA Message-ID: <4a5mnc$j9b@ruby.ucc.nau.edu> Oops, here are a few more :) 1) Family computing evidentally DID start up in September 1983. I put a question mark before it as I was not sure :) 2) Power Play/Info appear to be the same entity. Just my .02. E-mail: pap@dana.ucc.nau.edu -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This signature file was brought to you by Paul Panks, not Micro$oft, IBM, or any of those other money-sapping, machine-wasting companies bent on world domination. Did you here that Micro$oft wants to purchase the Catholic Church? I don't think Bill Gates would make a very good choir boy. I think its time to put our foots down and stop this maniac before he declares his campaign for the Presidency! *** Check out Jim Brain's WWW Page at: Http://www.msen.com/~brain/ *** (You'll be glad you did!) E-mail: pap@dana.ucc.nau.edu "If you quote me on this, I'll have to deny it. Besides, my memory is *terrible*. I forget things often. Also, my memory is *horrible*." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm From: dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: Classic Commodore Magazines :) Sender: news@novice.uwaterloo.ca (Mr. News) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 23:00:17 GMT References: <4a30jl$7ov@ruby.ucc.nau.edu> Organization: University of Waterloo Lines: 38 In article <4a30jl$7ov@ruby.ucc.nau.edu>, Paul Allen Panks wrote: > >Transactor (??-1989) - I don't know a great deal about this magazine, but >perhaps others do? From what I hear (I never actually did pick up this >magazine - my local store carried all ther others except this one and >INFO), this magazine was the BEST technical magazine of the bunch. > The Transactor began in 1977 or so as Commodore Canada's in-house technical newsletter. Karl Hildon edited it from then until 1987-88 or so--can't recall when he left. As you say, The T. was *the* technical mag for CBM computers. Jim Butterfield, Liz Deal, Paul Higgenbottom, Steve Punter, as well as the eventual editorial crew (Karl Hildon, Chris Zamara, Nick Sullivan, and Richard Evers) published often, as well as others (famous, like P. A. Slaykamaker, or not-so-famous.) The "Bits and Pieces" column was The T's incarnation of a "Hints" column; it would contain such things as modifications to the RESTORE key to make it easier to press, bizzaire VIC/6545 screen dazzlers, nifty input routines, odd meathematical oddities, and so on. I could go on about it, but I think you get the point. The T. was truly a work of art. >INFO,PowerPlay,TPUG - I don't know hardly anything about these three >magazines, except that TPUG was published when the PET first came out, >and then extended their coverage to focus on other Commodore Computers >(Vic-20,C-64,and Plus/4/C-16) > TPUG's magazine (later newsletter) was nifty--I didn't give it anywhere near the attention it deserved (I was too busy digesting The Transactor. :-)) -- David Evans (NeXTMail OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual From: pap@dana.ucc.nau.edu (Paul Allen Panks) Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm Subject: Classic Commodore Magazines Revisted Date: 8 Dec 1995 04:30:49 GMT Organization: Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff AZ, USA Message-ID: <4a8f1p$ho@ruby.ucc.nau.edu> After my post about all the classic Commodore magazines (i.e. Ahoy!,Compute!'s Gazette,Run), I thought I'd add a second phase to this ever-growing list. Listed in Alphabetical Order: Ahoy! Magazine (published by Ion International from 1984-1989) Most Popular Features: 1. Feature Articles 2. Type-in Programs 3. Tips & Tricks Column 4. Commodares 5. Scuttlebutt (tie) Art Gallery 7. A View From The Bridge... (tie) Amiga Section (replaced by separate publication, Ahoy!'s Amigauser) 8. Flotsam 9. Errata Commodore Magazine (published by Commodore Electronics Ltd., c. 1984-1989)* 1. Feature Articles 2. Type-in Programs 3. Lou Sander's Tips & Tricks Column 4. 128 Mode 5. Gold Mine 6. Software/Hardware Reviews 7. Amiga Section 8. How to Type-in Programs Compute!'s Gazette (published by Compute! Publications from 1984-1995)** 1. Feature Articles 2. Type-in Programs 3. Common Answers to Common Questions 4. Horizons: 64 (and later, Horizons) 5. Letters to the Editor 6. Basic for Beginners (and later, Beginner's Corner) 7. ML Section 8. PowerBasic 9. Education & Home Applications Run Magazine (published by IDGE Communications from 1984-1992) 1. Magic column 2. Run Special Issue (published at end of year, up until 1989 - #5) 3. Feature Articles (tie) Type-in Programs 5. Commodore Clinic 6. MegaMagic (stopped after January 1989 issue) 7. 128 Mode (started with December 1989 issue) 8. Gold Mine (started with December 1989 issue) (tie) Software Gallery 10. GEOS/Telecommunications Workshop 11. Run Amok 12. Run Classifieds 13. How to type-in Programs from Run OTHERS: Family Computing (1983-Present) 1. Feature Articles 2. Type-in Programs 3. Software review 4. Hardware review Compute! (1979-1994) 1. Feature Articles (machine specific) 2. Type-in Programs 3. Software reviews 4. Hardware reviews Transactor (?-1989) 1. Feature Articles (esp. those involving Technical issues) 2. Type-in Programs 3. Software Reviews 4. Hardware Reviews INFO (?-?) 1. Feature Articles 2. Industry-wide critique (esp. of software and magazines) 3. Type-in Programs 4. Software reviews 5. Hardware reviews 6. Programming Columns TPUG (1978-1987?) 1. Feature Articles (esp. those on the orphaned Commodores) 2. Technical information 3. Type-in Programs/TPUG Disk 4. Software Reviews 5. Hardware Reviews 6. Programming Columns There are others, but I know little about them. Please E-mail any corrections to : pap@dana.ucc.nau.edu Please POST any additional magazines to either : 1. Re: Classic Commodore Magazines :) 2. Classic Commodore Magazines Revisited -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This signature file was brought to you by Paul Panks, not Micro$oft, IBM, or any of those other money-sapping, machine-wasting companies bent on world domination. Did you here that Micro$oft wants to purchase the Catholic Church? I don't think Bill Gates would make a very good choir boy. I think its time to put our foots down and stop this maniac before he declares his campaign for the Presidency! *** Check out Jim Brain's WWW Page at: Http://www.msen.com/~brain/ *** (You'll be glad you did!) E-mail: pap@dana.ucc.nau.edu "If you quote me on this, I'll have to deny it. Besides, my memory is *terrible*. I forget things often. Also, my memory is *horrible*." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: pap@dana.ucc.nau.edu (Paul Allen Panks) Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm Subject: Re: Classic Commodore Magazines Revisted Date: 8 Dec 1995 04:52:47 GMT Organization: Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff AZ, USA Message-ID: <4a8gav$o4@ruby.ucc.nau.edu> Here is some additional information about my previous post. Ahoy! Magazine: 1. Feature Articles - Centered around such topics as "Can the 64 crack the Peanut" in the January 1984 issue (#1) to "Fractal Recreations" in the January 1988 issue (#49). 2. Type-in Programs - Some in BASIC, some in ML. The BASIC listings were accompanied by a checksum code printed in the right margins in reverse white, making them very visible when printed on the grey-colored "Program Listings" pages. Bug Repellent (listed in every issue but #1,#2,#3) helped the reader type-in BASIC listings without mistakes (thus the checksums in the right margins). Flankspeed (listed in every issue after 2/85), allowed readers to enter in Machine Language programs. The ML listings were in a modified Hexidecimal format, with a combination of letters and numbers, which were double-digit in length and spanned a total of 8 double-digit numbers plus the checksum code at the very end. 3. Commodares - A column devoted exclusively to making the reader rack his/her brain. A plethora (I love that word!) of brain - teasers in the form of BASIC and Comol listings allowed the reader to develop his Programming and problem solving skills at the same time. Reader submissions were encouraged, even rewarded. 4. Art Gallery - Pages that included reader-submitted Art, done on such Graphical Interfaces as Doodle! and Koala (sp?). Work submitted had to be accompanied by a disk, and a printout. A reward was offered in the form of a year-long subscription to Ahoy! (free) or Ahoy!'s Disk Magazine. Compute!'s Gazette: 1. Feature Articles - Included such articles as "Inside View: The Designers behind Pinball Contruction Set" to "C: Language of the Future?" 2. Type-in Programs - Mostly done in BASIC, which required the Automatic Proofreader for correct entry. ML Programs were done on a program listed every magazine, MLX. Format for the ML listings were in a hexidecimal three-letter code that spanned eight tripple-digit codes plus a checksum. 3. Horizons - Originally focused on reporting on the latest Commodore 64 news, software, and hardware additions, but then broadened the focus to include all Commodore micros. Run Magazine: 1. Feature Articles - Included such dandies as "CMD's new hardware" to "Run Paint Premiere" 2. Magic Column - Periodical collection of reader-submitted hints, tips & tricks that eventually became the most popular feature of the magazine. 3. Mega Magic - An extension of the Magic column, but on a much larger scale. There are others, but I'd like to keep this post's length to a minimum. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This signature file was brought to you by Paul Panks, not Micro$oft, IBM, or any of those other money-sapping, machine-wasting companies bent on world domination. Did you here that Micro$oft wants to purchase the Catholic Church? I don't think Bill Gates would make a very good choir boy. I think its time to put our foots down and stop this maniac before he declares his campaign for the Presidency! *** Check out Jim Brain's WWW Page at: Http://www.msen.com/~brain/ *** (You'll be glad you did!) E-mail: pap@dana.ucc.nau.edu "If you quote me on this, I'll have to deny it. Besides, my memory is *terrible*. I forget things often. Also, my memory is *horrible*." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: pap@dana.ucc.nau.edu (Paul Allen Panks) Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm Subject: Re: Classic Commodore Magazine Revisted Date: 8 Dec 1995 05:51:30 GMT Organization: Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff AZ, USA Message-ID: <4a8jp2$15j@ruby.ucc.nau.edu> More Additions ... Run Magazine: 1] Front Cover - Varied from issue to issue, but the constant remained the name of the magazine, RUN, in the form of keys that spelled the magazine's name. History Buffs note - This practice of using keys to represent RUN's name ceased after the June 1987 issue, after which a more stylized version of RUN (in italicized type lettering with rounded edges) was used until the magazine ceased publication in 1992. 2] # of Pages - Again, this varied from issue to issue as well. However, after the February 1989 issue, the number of pages dwindled to a low of 48 in the September/October 1992 issue. According to Running REMulations, Dennis Brison (sp?) stated that this was due to the summer months and how during these months advertisements were less frequent. While there was certainly some truth to that statement, the real reason centered around the fact that the Commodore 8-bit community was being abandoned very slowly by the same advertisers who dwindled by the number every other issue, hence the lessening of pages in RUN. The magazine went to a bi-monthly format after the May 1990 issue. OTHER INTERSTING INFORMATION: Ahoy!: 1] Photographs accompanying the articles of Type-in Programs featured in Ahoy! were usually taken by the magazines Editor-in-chief, David Aklinas (sp?). Compute!'s Gazette: 1] When the Gazette first started publishing Machine Language programs, the magazine seemed to glorify each ML Program they published in the first couple of months ("Spike" in the December 1983 issue comes to mind as being especially hyped -- but for good reason...at the time, it WAS better than many commercial programs out there of value as high as $40 or more). Commodore Magazine: 1] It's Amiga coverage was first-rate, leaving one with the the impression that Commodore was fast abandoning the Commodore 8-bit computers in favor of the Amiga line of computers (the ironic thing was thaty this was SUPPOSED to be a Commodore 64/128 specific magazine). More later. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This signature file was brought to you by Paul Panks, not Micro$oft, IBM, or any of those other money-sapping, machine-wasting companies bent on world domination. Did you here that Micro$oft wants to purchase the Catholic Church? I don't think Bill Gates would make a very good choir boy. I think its time to put our foots down and stop this maniac before he declares his campaign for the Presidency! *** Check out Jim Brain's WWW Page at: Http://www.msen.com/~brain/ *** (You'll be glad you did!) E-mail: pap@dana.ucc.nau.edu "If you quote me on this, I'll have to deny it. Besides, my memory is *terrible*. I forget things often. Also, my memory is *horrible*." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: pap@dana.ucc.nau.edu (Paul Allen Panks) Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm Subject: Re: Classic Commodore Magazine Revisted Date: 8 Dec 1995 06:06:20 GMT Organization: Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff AZ, USA Message-ID: <4a8kks$15j@ruby.ucc.nau.edu> Someone E-mailed me about GEOS Magazine, a publication that was evidently put out by GEOS itself, but lasted only two issues. Theproblem being that the publisher of the magazine did a poor job and was fired after the first issue. In the second issue, the problem was said to have been taken care of but actually it wasn't. The publication folded after just two issues and the people who subscribed to it lost a great deal of money. Any other readers care to comment on this addition? Also, here are some addition magazines/Disk magazines: LoadStar 64/128 (1984-1995) - Put out monthly on a double-sided disk, this publication was excellent. The programs in the disk magazine was top-notch issue after issue, and the fact that it was contained on disk allowed the publishers to put programs on it that were greater than most of the written publications. Twin Cities 128 (1987-1994?) - A Commodore 128-specific Disk Magazine that focused soley on the 128. The magazine had a devoted following, and sprung up mainly from Commodore's apparent lack of support of the Commodore 128. Commodore later discontinued the C-128 and C-128D in 1989. DieHard (1992?-1995) - This magazine/flyer was circulated to about 8,000 or so Commodore Users, and was a small, yet impressive magazine/flyer. It claimed to leave off where RUN did, and it indeed did include numerous Type-in Programs and articles that were very good. It folded because of financial difficulties related to the publisher. Commodore World (1993-Present) - This sleak publication is put out bi-monthly by Creative Micro Designs. Although severely lacking in Type-in Programs, its feature articles are what make it truely outstanding. Commodore experts like Jim Butterfield contribute frequently to this publication, with CMD itself amoung the contributors. There are others...any reader(s) like to submit other magazines not listed here or in previous posts? E-mail: pap@dana.ucc.nau.edu Paul Allen Panks -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This signature file was brought to you by Paul Panks, not Micro$oft, IBM, or any of those other money-sapping, machine-wasting companies bent on world domination. Did you here that Micro$oft wants to purchase the Catholic Church? I don't think Bill Gates would make a very good choir boy. I think its time to put our foots down and stop this maniac before he declares his campaign for the Presidency! *** Check out Jim Brain's WWW Page at: Http://www.msen.com/~brain/ *** (You'll be glad you did!) E-mail: pap@dana.ucc.nau.edu "If you quote me on this, I'll have to deny it. Besides, my memory is *terrible*. I forget things often. Also, my memory is *horrible*." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: pap@dana.ucc.nau.edu (Paul Allen Panks) Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm Subject: Re: Classic Commodore Magazine Revisted Date: 8 Dec 1995 06:19:08 GMT Organization: Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff AZ, USA Message-ID: <4a8lcs$1dp@ruby.ucc.nau.edu> I guess I should explain why I am so high on magazine Type-in Programs... Feature articles and technical information is great, but the reader also needs to be able to add software to his/her library every so often...even if they are JUST magazine programs...some magazine programs (such as "RUN Paint" in March 1989 issue) are truely outstanding and a valuable addition to any users software library. Personally, I used to subscribe to Commodore World, but subsequently stopped because of the lack of Type-in Programs. I thought that this was a nice feature that CW failed to exploit very often, and thus detracted from the quality of the magazine (though its still an EXCELLENT magazine). It was for this reason that I never picked up INFO,Transactor, or TPUG very much. I guess I am sort of a picky person. :) Regards, Paul Allen Panks E-mail: pap@dana.ucc.nau.edu (P.S. - I will provide an updated list of Commodore publications within a couple of days as time and space permits) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This signature file was brought to you by Paul Panks, not Micro$oft, IBM, or any of those other money-sapping, machine-wasting companies bent on world domination. Did you here that Micro$oft wants to purchase the Catholic Church? I don't think Bill Gates would make a very good choir boy. I think its time to put our foots down and stop this maniac before he declares his campaign for the Presidency! *** Check out Jim Brain's WWW Page at: Http://www.msen.com/~brain/ *** (You'll be glad you did!) E-mail: pap@dana.ucc.nau.edu "If you quote me on this, I'll have to deny it. Besides, my memory is *terrible*. I forget things often. Also, my memory is *horrible*." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: pap@dana.ucc.nau.edu (Paul Allen Panks) Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm Subject: Re: Classic Commodore Magazine Revisted Date: 8 Dec 1995 06:34:23 GMT Organization: Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff AZ, USA Message-ID: <4a8m9f$1dp@ruby.ucc.nau.edu> Some of the contributors that deserve credit for making the following Commodore magazines what they were...GREAT!: 1. Ahoy! magazine (1984-1989): David Aklinas [Editor],Tim Little [Senior Editor until September 1987],Cleveland M. Blakemore [Senior Editor until July 1988], Morton Kevelson [freelance writer],Dale Ruport [Technical Editor],Tony Brantner [freelance writer],Buck Childress [freelance writer],Arnie Katz [contributing Editor/Software Reviewer],Gordon F. Wheat [freelance writer],Mike Hoyt [freelance writer] and others not mentioned. 2. Run Magazine (1984-1992): Dennis Brisson [Editor-in-Chief],Lou Wallace [contributing Editor until May 1987],Tim Walsh [contributing Editor],John D. Rockefeller [free lance writer/author of RUN Paint],Mark Jordan [free lance writer/English teacher],Arnie Katz [free lance writer], and others not mentioned. These are the only two magazines whose staff/part time staff I know pretty well offhand, but my memory is kind of fuzzy on Compute!'s Gazette,Commodore Magazine, Family Computing and others...anybody wish to fill in for these magazines in the above (or similar) format? Please E-mail any additions or corrections to: pap@dana.ucc.nau.edu Please POST if they are big time additions. I am sure the rest of this newsgroup would like to know as well. Regards, Paul Allen Panks -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This signature file was brought to you by Paul Panks, not Micro$oft, IBM, or any of those other money-sapping, machine-wasting companies bent on world domination. Did you here that Micro$oft wants to purchase the Catholic Church? I don't think Bill Gates would make a very good choir boy. I think its time to put our foots down and stop this maniac before he declares his campaign for the Presidency! *** Check out Jim Brain's WWW Page at: Http://www.msen.com/~brain/ *** (You'll be glad you did!) E-mail: pap@dana.ucc.nau.edu "If you quote me on this, I'll have to deny it. Besides, my memory is *terrible*. I forget things often. Also, my memory is *horrible*." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: pap@dana.ucc.nau.edu (Paul Allen Panks) Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm Subject: Re: Classic Commodore Magazines Revisted Date: 8 Dec 1995 05:08:26 GMT Organization: Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff AZ, USA Message-ID: <4a8h8a$us@ruby.ucc.nau.edu> Again, more additions. Ahoy!: 1] Front cover was ALWAYS represented by a half dozen or more little TV screens that presented to the reader the contents of the current issue. On the bottom, two hands of a mysterious Commodore 64 user tapped diligently away at the keyboard. History-buffs note : The "old-style" Commodore 64 unit and accompaning 1541 disk drive were always shown, and an unidentified Commodore printer (possibly MPS 801?) was also shown. A styrofome (sp?) cup of hot coffee with the Commodore logo on it sat by the keyboard on the right hand side. Compute!'s Gazette: 1] Front cover was done mostly by artists representation of programs, articles, or features in the current issue. Big, bold letters in a sidebar further disclosed the contents of the issue. History Buffs note: The headline that was directly under the "Compute!'s Gazette" always said: For Owners and Users of (the) Commodore Vic-20 and 64 Personal Computers." This changed after the January 1985 issue, after which it said: "For Owners and Users of Commodore Personal Computers." This change was ment to reflect the recent additions of the Commodore Plus/4 and 16 computers to the magazine. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This signature file was brought to you by Paul Panks, not Micro$oft, IBM, or any of those other money-sapping, machine-wasting companies bent on world domination. Did you here that Micro$oft wants to purchase the Catholic Church? I don't think Bill Gates would make a very good choir boy. I think its time to put our foots down and stop this maniac before he declares his campaign for the Presidency! *** Check out Jim Brain's WWW Page at: Http://www.msen.com/~brain/ *** (You'll be glad you did!) E-mail: pap@dana.ucc.nau.edu "If you quote me on this, I'll have to deny it. Besides, my memory is *terrible*. I forget things often. Also, my memory is *horrible*." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: jpnan@prairienet.org (Jean P Nance) Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm Subject: Re: Classic Commodore Magazine Revisted Date: 8 Dec 1995 15:57:21 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <4a9n91$4nr@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Loadstar was listed in the past tense. It is still alive and well. The editor, Fender Tucker, and his wife, recently bought the business from Softdisk Publishing, which had been putting out several different disk magazines, including one for the 64 and one for the 128. Actually, "business" is not quite accurate. Fender and Judy are now owners, managers, and editors, of Loadstar 64 and Loadstar 128. Softdisk continues to put out magazines for some other computers. We all hope that Fender and Judy will make a sucess of the venture. -- p From: brain@mail.msen.com (Jim Brain) Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm Subject: Re: Classic Commodore Magazines :) Date: 12 Dec 1995 16:30:58 -0500 Organization: Brain Innovations, Incorporated Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <4a5mnc$j9b@ruby.ucc.nau.edu>, pap@dana.ucc.nau.edu (Paul Allen Panks) wrote: >Oops, here are a few more :) >1) Family computing evidentally DID start up in September 1983. I put a >question mark before it as I was not sure :) >2) Power Play/Info appear to be the same entity. Oh, no, two distinct mags.... Here is some trivia: Compute started as the PET Gazette, by Ken (or Len) Lindsey. It was changed to Compute. (note period) when Lindsey sold it. The, Compute! (note change to bang) spun off the Gazette. Sort of coming full circle. LOADSTAR used to carry Commodore Power/Play Microcomputing software on its disks. Transactor was started in April 30, 1978. The first issue (bulletin), was produced by CBM at Agincourt, Ont. It was 14 pages and no editor is listed. The quality os low, mainly looks like a simple user group newsletter. Transactor was sold at some time to Karl Hildon and friend. Transactor will be reprinted by Commodore CEE soon. Karl has OKd the reprints. Commodore had two other mags (power/play and microcomput(er or ing) ) They eventually merged into one mag, then they merged into RUN, and then RUN ceased pubbing. Info was distinct, although it swallowed up Midnite Gazzette, and had Len Lindsey as a writer. (Compute! pubs had never paid him for the original sale, it seems) So, to end: Commodore P/P and MCP were OK, but lacked much detail, and was always Commodore centric. Info was harsh at times, but made for honest readin and was most truthful. Though, the editors moved on to Amiga too soon and then died. RUN was OK, except it got into the 101 printers rut. Compute and Gazette were stupendous for the first half decade, and then went downhill, as the company saw the 64 crowd as suckers. Programs in later issues were rehash of earlier programs. Transactor was great technically, but a financial failure. Don't blame Karl, blame his buddy, who ran off with the funds. Transacator was an always iffy subscritipns, as it was up and donw many times ovr the years. LOADSTAR has always been there, and still provide the same type of miz they always have. Heavy on programs, light on chat. Commodore CEE is a relative newcomer. It's still around. Used to be called CEE-64 Alive Commodore World is as well. C=Hacking is third in the newcomer list, although I think it is oldest of the three (When did you start C64 Alive, Jack?) dieHard was light easy fare, but suffered by the finnacial indecision of its owners. going newstand in 1995 is not a wise choice for a 64 mags. Ahoy was good as well, and had the most tech stuff in it save Transactor. I think financial concerns hit it hard. Commander ???? (I have one issue) TPUG (a few issues, but nothing to comment on) Commodore Computing International ???? (I have one issue) I am sure there are others, but I can't pull them off the head right now. Jim -- Jim Brain, Embedded Systems Designer, Brain Innovations, Inc. (BII) brain@mail.msen.com "Above views DO reflect my employer, since I'm my employer" Dabbling in WWW, Embedded Systems, VR, Old CBM computers, and Good Times! -Me- BII, VR, CBM, and personal info